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I was thinking, the songs themselves are not the same entities as the halos with the same names (if not in the case of the singles, at least in the case of the LPs themselves. The Downward Spiral is clearly not the same entity as it's title track, the same goes for The Fragile, or With Teeth.)
We want this wiki to be comprehensive, don't we? Look at the Down In It pages, I think that's a good way to do things. We're not wikipedia after all. Otherwise that defeats the point of doing it at all. What do you guys think?--[[User:GrayscaleRain|GrayscaleRain]] 09:11, 16 February 2007 (PST)
==Industrial==
''...is said to have brought "Industrial" music to the mainstream.''
Wasn't "industrial" music already brought to the mainstream by [[Pretty Hate Machine]], or so many claim? [[User:Pomte|Pomte]] 21:20, 16 February 2007 (PST)
:I don't think [[Pretty Hate Machine]] should be labeled as industrial. I think [[Broken]] should have that title. But, that was technically an EP, so it didn't count. I just fucking love this album, but with much controversy. [[User:??lostiNconfusIoN??|??lostiNconfusIoN??]] 17:57, 17 October 2008 (PDT)
::Not sure I understand how you can say [[Pretty Hate Machine]] is not industrial???[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]
:::Trent has always avoided the genre label, aside from perhaps Broken, none of his studio music is really classifiable as what is generally accepted as "Industrial" - and as to PHM, whilst its [[Purest Feeling (halo)|demo]] was an industrial/dance cross-genre production, in reality it was just NIN - a genre in itself I'd say.
:::Just my two penneth. [[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 10:54, 20 October 2008 (PDT)
== Cystal Japan ==
I removed the link for Crystal Japan. I don't think it's neccessary, this isn't a David Bowie wiki. Any thoughts? -[[User:Meatball|Meatball]] 10:53, 9 May 2007 (PDT)
:Good move. --[[User:Wizfan|Wizfan]], the [[User_talk:Wizfan|man who erased the capital H]] 23:28, 24 September 2007 (PDT)
== Oh, dear GOD!!! ==
For God's sake, where the *beep* is that *beep* [[Reptile]] female voice loop from, anyway? The [[Samples In NIN Songs]] page says it's from a movie called "Nekromantik", while [[The Downward Spiral (halo)|this page]] says it's from "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre". In Wikipedia, the TDS article said that it's from "Massacre" a year ago, but then somebody changed it to "Nekromantik". I tried searching at echoingthesound.org, but others said it's from "Nekromantik" and others said that it's from "Massacre".
DAMN! WHERE THE '''HELL''' IS THAT *beep* SAMPLE FROM? I wasn't surprised that Trent performed the sample ''himself'' in AATCHB ("oooh... please... don't hurt me... please!"). --[[User:Wizfan|Wizfan]], the [[User_talk:Wizfan|man who erased the capital H]] 23:27, 24 September 2007 (PDT)
It's from "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" as seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pewjKi9V5oo here] at 1:30-1:33. The end. -[[User:Iantm|iantm]] 11:00, 5 April 2009 EST
== Possible Interpretations? ==
Hey, I came here looking for possible interpretations of this album among many other things, and my thoughts are that people who come here might be looking for the same. While the link to that brilliant dissertation is great and all, what do you think about adding some thoughts about the concepts behind each song, on the song pages themselves or on here? -- [[User:No1joel|Joel]] 01:40, 25 April 2008 (PDT)
==Reptile production==
I have a small but nerdworthy (for me, at least) question that I have not yet found the answer to.
Does anyone know why Flood is credited as a producer on Reptile demo 'Liar' that appears on the Deluxe SACD
edition of TDS, and on the song's album version in the credits of the original release of TDS, but the new editions only mention Mr. Reznor as a producer on the album version? --Kurry, 12 November 2008
==The Downward Spiral (Instrumental)==
Does anyone have any ideas as to why Trent didn't make instrumental versions of Ruiner and Big Man With A Gun when he released the rest on remix.nin.com? [[User:Kornwolf|Kornwolf]] 11:58, 29 October 2009 (PDT)
:nope. it's possible he meant to and didn't get to it/forgot (re: Non-Entity & NSPN multitracks), but there's been no word. — [[User:Seasonsinthesky|Seasonsinthesky]] 12:57, 30 October 2009 (PDT)
== THE COVER ART ==
This has bugged me sinse the album first came out. Nobody has ever made a comparison between the cover art to the Beatles' "White Album" and "The Downward Spiral." Why? The White Album was the inspiration for the murders that happened in the house it was recorded in. It looks like a stained version of the "White Album" Cover. The Title's on the opposite side that the title is for "The Bealtes" and there's debris where the serial number would be. It's almost like you're looking at the cover to the "White Album" through a distorted looking glass. Also the photos of the feathers on the inside cover, start with one, then another, and then by the last page they're tied together. Like the lyrics for Blackbird, from the "White Album", "Take these broken wings, and learn to fly." which Charles Manson interpreted as the battle cry for the coming race war.
:it's not white and it's not blank, ergo it looks absolutely nothing like The White Album cover. also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). — [[User:Seasonsinthesky|Seasonsinthesky]] 17:14, 30 October 2009 (PDT)
We want this wiki to be comprehensive, don't we? Look at the Down In It pages, I think that's a good way to do things. We're not wikipedia after all. Otherwise that defeats the point of doing it at all. What do you guys think?--[[User:GrayscaleRain|GrayscaleRain]] 09:11, 16 February 2007 (PST)
==Industrial==
''...is said to have brought "Industrial" music to the mainstream.''
Wasn't "industrial" music already brought to the mainstream by [[Pretty Hate Machine]], or so many claim? [[User:Pomte|Pomte]] 21:20, 16 February 2007 (PST)
:I don't think [[Pretty Hate Machine]] should be labeled as industrial. I think [[Broken]] should have that title. But, that was technically an EP, so it didn't count. I just fucking love this album, but with much controversy. [[User:??lostiNconfusIoN??|??lostiNconfusIoN??]] 17:57, 17 October 2008 (PDT)
::Not sure I understand how you can say [[Pretty Hate Machine]] is not industrial???[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]
:::Trent has always avoided the genre label, aside from perhaps Broken, none of his studio music is really classifiable as what is generally accepted as "Industrial" - and as to PHM, whilst its [[Purest Feeling (halo)|demo]] was an industrial/dance cross-genre production, in reality it was just NIN - a genre in itself I'd say.
:::Just my two penneth. [[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 10:54, 20 October 2008 (PDT)
== Cystal Japan ==
I removed the link for Crystal Japan. I don't think it's neccessary, this isn't a David Bowie wiki. Any thoughts? -[[User:Meatball|Meatball]] 10:53, 9 May 2007 (PDT)
:Good move. --[[User:Wizfan|Wizfan]], the [[User_talk:Wizfan|man who erased the capital H]] 23:28, 24 September 2007 (PDT)
== Oh, dear GOD!!! ==
For God's sake, where the *beep* is that *beep* [[Reptile]] female voice loop from, anyway? The [[Samples In NIN Songs]] page says it's from a movie called "Nekromantik", while [[The Downward Spiral (halo)|this page]] says it's from "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre". In Wikipedia, the TDS article said that it's from "Massacre" a year ago, but then somebody changed it to "Nekromantik". I tried searching at echoingthesound.org, but others said it's from "Nekromantik" and others said that it's from "Massacre".
DAMN! WHERE THE '''HELL''' IS THAT *beep* SAMPLE FROM? I wasn't surprised that Trent performed the sample ''himself'' in AATCHB ("oooh... please... don't hurt me... please!"). --[[User:Wizfan|Wizfan]], the [[User_talk:Wizfan|man who erased the capital H]] 23:27, 24 September 2007 (PDT)
It's from "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" as seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pewjKi9V5oo here] at 1:30-1:33. The end. -[[User:Iantm|iantm]] 11:00, 5 April 2009 EST
== Possible Interpretations? ==
Hey, I came here looking for possible interpretations of this album among many other things, and my thoughts are that people who come here might be looking for the same. While the link to that brilliant dissertation is great and all, what do you think about adding some thoughts about the concepts behind each song, on the song pages themselves or on here? -- [[User:No1joel|Joel]] 01:40, 25 April 2008 (PDT)
==Reptile production==
I have a small but nerdworthy (for me, at least) question that I have not yet found the answer to.
Does anyone know why Flood is credited as a producer on Reptile demo 'Liar' that appears on the Deluxe SACD
edition of TDS, and on the song's album version in the credits of the original release of TDS, but the new editions only mention Mr. Reznor as a producer on the album version? --Kurry, 12 November 2008
==The Downward Spiral (Instrumental)==
Does anyone have any ideas as to why Trent didn't make instrumental versions of Ruiner and Big Man With A Gun when he released the rest on remix.nin.com? [[User:Kornwolf|Kornwolf]] 11:58, 29 October 2009 (PDT)
:nope. it's possible he meant to and didn't get to it/forgot (re: Non-Entity & NSPN multitracks), but there's been no word. — [[User:Seasonsinthesky|Seasonsinthesky]] 12:57, 30 October 2009 (PDT)
== THE COVER ART ==
This has bugged me sinse the album first came out. Nobody has ever made a comparison between the cover art to the Beatles' "White Album" and "The Downward Spiral." Why? The White Album was the inspiration for the murders that happened in the house it was recorded in. It looks like a stained version of the "White Album" Cover. The Title's on the opposite side that the title is for "The Bealtes" and there's debris where the serial number would be. It's almost like you're looking at the cover to the "White Album" through a distorted looking glass. Also the photos of the feathers on the inside cover, start with one, then another, and then by the last page they're tied together. Like the lyrics for Blackbird, from the "White Album", "Take these broken wings, and learn to fly." which Charles Manson interpreted as the battle cry for the coming race war.
:it's not white and it's not blank, ergo it looks absolutely nothing like The White Album cover. also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). — [[User:Seasonsinthesky|Seasonsinthesky]] 17:14, 30 October 2009 (PDT)