Talk:Year Zero Numbers

I made this page because the bible references are only a theory, so the numbers shouldn't be automatically called "bible references"

I have no problem with the bible references being merged into this article. I envisioned this article having more bulk - more explanations about where the numbers were found, but it turns out that there is really no need. Nympholept 10:07, 16 February 2007 (PST)

Ordering?

Don't you guys think it would be a good idea that the order in which these numbers were found is kept track of? If they are not arbitrary numbers, some pattern may emerge from them. Even if they are bible verses or codes for letters or words, they probably would make most sense in the order they were intended to be seen in. Derwin 04:50, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

A good portion can be found in any order. Technically there are thousands of permutations of how they can be found considering what we already know about when they went live and when they were leaked in some way. IE: many were found independently or ahead of schedule, several were hidden to be found at any time, etc. There is no official order for them being found. --BurnHavoc 14:30, 13 April 2007 (EST)

We kinda sorta have the order they were found at the Year Zero research timeline. It's not about the numbers, just an overview of when stuff was found, but you could draw the numbers from it. But like BurnHavoc said, we found things out of order. And you have to take into account there were some nights when multiple numbers were found. It may be difficult to determine which came first. Like the night the London mural was found, the listening parties started. The mural gave us Operation Swamp and Operation Chip Sweep, and the listening party lithos gave us Mailstrom. I couldn't tell you which event happened before the other, it all seems like it was mixed together. So, chances of a pattern based on ordering seems slim. -- MadCactus 13:43, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

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Combined bible/index theory: it's been proposed that the 24.*.* numbers are an indexing system used by SBI, and it's been proposed that they reference the book of Jeremiah. What if it's both?

If the numbers are an in-world indexing system by SBI, there has to be some reason to start with 24. Perhaps whoever on SBI was in charge of compiling the content to be sent back indexed it to the book of Jeremiah. Why? Perhaps this SBI archivist was the anonymous grandfather behind the site gracetheteacher, and the indexing system was devised in honor of the grandson who almost "learned something."

Impossible to say until we get more info. It'd be a nice, personal touch to the SBI crew if this pans out. -Dij

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The clue for 24.15.8 is a little iffy. How can we determine that's a clue just by counting the beats? We could do that for any song. Further more, the number 8 falls out of sequence with the numbers before it, and a good amount of these numbers are sequencial. I don't think 24.15.8 is a clue without further evidence to prove it. --Velvolver 11:13, 1 March 2007 (PST)

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The clue for 24.19.1 is weak, too. I don't see how that works. A screenshot would be nice backup for that one. --Tsguitar 21:18, 28 February 2007 (PST)

(Kept for historic purposes I guess, but now I believe 19.1 is a clue, read below)

I agree Tsguitar, the clue says that the >'s count as the number 19. Yet I don't see enough > to equate a 24, or an extra > left over for the 1. This isn't like the auto response e-mail on an earlier clue with the dashes between the 24 underscores and the other numbers.

Further more, are there clues in the HD-DVD version of BYIT?

addon- My mistake, don't add the Brackets all together, add line per line. Example: >> 2, >>>> 4 > 1 etc...--unsigned

I see it now. Thanks for the clarification. --Tsguitar 22:36, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Federal Orderly Conduct Act

How about the fact that one of the numbers, 24.13.1, directly references a section of the Federal Orderly Conduct Act?

I'll be speaking within the context of the Year Zero universe after this sentence - just saying this to avoid confusion.

Unless the raid of Art Is Resistance was a hoax, those who have been spreading the numbers have a lot of explaining to do. All of the numbers have been in the form 24.{3-19}.{1-8}, just like the section of the Act. So, everyone who has posted a number in this form, both government sanctioned and resistance, has been directly referencing a law that should be publicly documented.

I think this is a strong clue to the numbers' significance. A copy of the Federal Orderly Conduct Act would be helpful (guess we'll just have to wait for them to write that one in).

By the way, I honestly didn't know that someone on echoing the sound already made this connection. Still worth brining it up here.

That's an excellent idea...you should have signed that post. Perhaps each number is a part of the Act that was violated by the website. Are the websites scrambled due to being attacked by the Feds or by distortion from time travel (part of another theory).--Velvolver 11:39, 2 March 2007 (PST)

Thanks. Not sure if there's anyway to prove it now, but the last post was mine. But anyway, assuming that the Church Of Plano is government sanctioned, why would the Feds attack it? --Augmatic 11:52, 2 March 2007 (PST)

You can nearly sig anything, I've left about half the sigs on my posts. But the feds attacked the church of plano?

It seems more likely to me that the Federal Orderly Conduct Act warning was just a convenient way to give us another number. Citing specific sections of the act doesn't seem particularly interesting by itself, even with the act in hand. --Mr z 22:19, 3 March 2007 (PST)

Significance to /0024 ?

I can't help but think that these numbers have something to do with the page http://yearzero.nin.com/0024. All of the numbers start with 24. They don't refer to line numbers and characters in the HTML source for the page, nor (x, y) pixel references in the image. Does anyone else follow this train of thought? --justnine 16:59, 7 March 2007

Well, Year Zero is Halo 24. Just a thought. --Mr z 11:09, 7 March 2007 (PST)

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this, but i just discovered that in the teaser trailer for year zero on the year zero website if you slow the frame rate down and look at the "presence"- during one single frame of the digital glitches in the film the numbers "/0024" appear off to the left hand side of the screen in a black bar.

I'm sure that some one else has already noticed this and this probably comes as old news to all of you, but i thought that i would do my part to contribute to the YZ research.

I also thought that all these numbers referred to the alphabet- like the nin perfect drug sticker which when spelled out read "without you everything falls apart", but after testing this theory i don't think that is correct. --nevermachine 04/16/07

Numbers equal Dating

With the new site from the lithograph, mailstrom, I noticed the sent date was 06 0000. And the number on the page is 24.1.1

I believe that the numbers could just be a way of dating the events of year zero, giving us a time line. Currently starting with mailstrom and so far ending with the operationswamp site. --Velvolver 07:37, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

I'm not so sure. Operation Chip Sweep is dated back in January and the site has the number 24.20.2. In contrast, Mailstrom has 24.1.1 and is also dated in January.--Mr z 09:47, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Sequential Runs: Just a grouping mechanism?

So far all the 24.x.y sequences have consecutive runs for "y". They also seem to come in clusters sharing the same value for 'x'. Could it be that these breadcrumbs are merely there to let us know that a particular set of sites and other artifacts should be considered as a group, and if a number is missing in the sequence that we need to go look for the missing member of the group? In that case, these are just the edges of the puzzle pieces, showing us how the sites/artifacts fit together, and not much more. Not terribly satisfying, but judging by the patterns, it makes a certain amount of sense. --Mr z 11:11, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

• The current Free Rebel Art and Exterminal pages hint that this might actually be the case, given their text: "Pilgrim Stream: 24.2; Data in transit -" and "Pilgrim Stream: 24.7; Data in transit -" --Mr z 20:13, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

Now wouldn't that just suck for all of us people that have looked oh so hard for them? :) Although I doubt Trent would go through so much trouble without going the extra mile on something that is already going to be on the page... Jgrizzy89 17:59, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Could these be IP addresses?

Could these be the last three parts of IP addresses? It wouldn't be inconceivable that all of ??.24.xx.xx to be registered by the marketing company. If the the first number (??) could be found or just guessed at (there's only a limited number of IPv4 numbers available to US sites) these may mean something. Also IP addresses can be located (in real world terms and in terms of DNS) by this tool, -- OTW 17:15, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

IP addresses always have four sets of numbers. -Heroicraptor 17:22, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

It would also be a bit of a stretch considering it's Halo 24, and they don't put down the first set of digits. --Tony 17:25, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Unannounced Tracks?

someone mentioned on another discussion page the possibility that the rows of zeros at the bottom of the yearzero.nin.com tracklist may indicate tracks that the titles have not been released for.

there appears to be 6 to 8 discerneble lines of 0s, suggesting a total tracking of 22-24 tracks...

if so, then maybe the number sequence still makes some sense?--killjoy 00:32, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

Going on that theory, I'd find it more plausible that those 6-8 lines correspond to the various texts we've found references to. --Mr z 07:51, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

The snippets of text bleeding through the various pages are a product of the Pilgrims Expierement from SBI (The Flash IRC Conversation rather explains that whole situation on the Pilgrims Page.) at least, that's what corresponds most directly to why that text is all over the place. --killjoy 08:35, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

Please explain the text bleeding from the pilgrims experiment! Also I highly doubt the numbers refer to the track listings anymore, that was shot all to hell with 24.19.X showed up. There's tons better theories on what the numbers are, and a 22-24 track album would have to be a double disc.--Velvolver 08:43, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

If you look on the backgrounds of many Year Zero sites, you'll see snippets of text. These come from various places, such as The Stand, Slaughterhouse 5, The Origin of the Species, and so on. In the IRC logs, they mention "mining banned music/books" for their "key text." So, it seems entirely plausible to me that the number groups refer to stuff from the track listing and from the works they're quoting. That said, I personally don't think the 24.x.x numbers are halo.track.letter, even if track > 16 refers to one of the books that shown up. I've always been pretty skeptical of that theory. The number groups are too sequential. --Mr z 09:12, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

Double disc still ain't out of the question though. The Fragile anyone? And besides I doubt those extra lines of zero's represent the texts. As much as they are part of the year zero universe unfolding, they aren't actually Reznor's work.--Quentin 15:35, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

connection to Solutions Backwards Initiative

Perhaps the numbers serve a double purpose -- a categorization system created in "real life" for the individuals who are creating the Year Zero story, and a system utilized in the Year Zero world by the Solutions Backwards Initiative. Different numbers could correspond to different pieces of data, different messages, where they were sent to in the past, et cetera. This makes more sense to me as far as mining banned books and songs. It seems that the numbers are there to denote items sent from the Solutions Backwards Initiative. Xantres 16:55, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

i'm gonna agree with xantres here. but also I think they have the purpose of linking not just the storyline to itself but also the cd to the storyline i.e. track 7 is Capitol G whitch is also found on Exterminal Ylbissop 21:04, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

Chapters / Articles

here's a goofy off the wall concept, and i am probably wrong. i have been researching everything from germ theory to encryption trying to figure out this number stuff.

is it possible that the numbers are "halos"; like sub-halos?

if you look at big manuals, legal documents (Federal Orderly Conduct Act), the bible or whatever else... its usually listed as "chapter.section.part". so is it possible that all of the sites and billboards are being recognized as such?

p.s. don't do any research with a head full of DayQuil, god i hope any of what i just said makes sense.

--LiquidVanity 15:26, 14 March 2007 (PDT)
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I totally agree [and was just going to post the same thing after seeing how "Exhibit 24" was laid out]. Every NIN release has a Halo number. With "Year Zero" being Halo 24, it would be a logical assumption that the "24.x.y" coding merely indicates subsections of the "Year Zero" release, in such that they are part of the work as a whole.
--EinTeufel 05.02.07

Misc Theories

Much to my amusment when i was googlesurfing i came across http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/CBRT-5NF7VP?open What does it have to do with the numbers? Goal 24 on the website states "Ensure our natural resources are managed in a sustainable way now and for future generations" In Year Zero global warming has caused incredible changes in the enviroment. Probably nothing but a coincidence to a sleep deprived guy like myself (03:14 as i write this) Phillowe88 19:16, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Just a few left

24.4 24.6 and 24.7 is all that's left. I think it's coming to a head, perhaps we'll get the law list soon if this is in fact numbers referencing it.

Year Zero Tracklisting Theory

Forgive my ignorance, but can someone please elaborate on how the numbers "correspond" with specific letters? (e.g. 24.3.1 Found in the Morse Code at the end of recording found at phone number 1-216-333-1810. Corresponds with the letter "s" )

Thanks. --Wesker

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I don't know if this is anything new... and I know that the theory has been bounced around, but it makes sense.

The numbers themselves do, in fact, relate to the album track #'s...

The simplest way to see it is right on this site... but the fact that only 1 of the tracks titles has been completed (and the fact that some of the songs have long titles) makes me think there are a lot more numbers out there than have been discovered yet.

Track 3 on the album is Survivalism, yes? Notice how the numbers point to nothing more than (halo)24.(track)3.(letter)1, etc?

24.3.1 - s - 1-216-333-1810 Morse Code
24.3.2 - u - myviolentheart.mp3 ID3 comments and also found from 2432.mp3(24.3.2)on the Barcelona USB drive.
24.3.3 - r - http://www.uswiretap.com/case_number_required/ (CTRL + A to see it)

The same goes here... Track 10 is God Given... (halo).(track).(letter) just spells out the name of the song.

24.10.1 - g - nohurry.mp3
24.10.2 - o - http://churchofplano.com/
24.10.3 - d - opalo.mp3
24.10.4 - g - WARNING CODE
24.10.5 - i - ballgameOver.mp3
24.10.6 - v - http://www.105thairbornecrusaders.com
24.10.7 - e - http://www.bethehammer.net/
24.10.8 - n - http://www.anotherversionofthetruth.com (CTRL + A to see it)

Track 14 is going to be a loooong one indeed if this is true, but so far it can't be anything but this...

24.14.1 - a - Black/Red 2007 tour t-shirt
24.14.2 - n - auto-reply e-mail from water@iamtryingtobelieve.com
24.14.3 - o - http://iamtryingtobelieve.com/

I really hope there's more to these numbers than just a wild goose-chase, but I'm really not seeing it. --unsigned comment from S3an 06:56, 23 March 2007

Rearranging all the letters from the clues I have found that "God given not in US war" can be found, does this mean anything? -velvolver --unsigned comment from Velvolver 16:26, 26 February 2007

UPDATE: God given nation can be spelled out with WR U S left over...and with the new clue Y is there also. --unsigned comment from Velvolver 01:21, 25 February 2007

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The Track Number + Letter Offset theory seems weak, unless it's meant to be an anagram. The "God Given" in the text doesn't seem to surprising since (a) "God Given" is the track title of track 10, and (b) nearly all the number sequences are sequential. So the fact that "godgiven" is clearly seen in the string of "corresponding characters" shouldn't be given too much weight.--Mr z 17:30, 28 February 2007 (PST)

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What if, instead of corresponding to letters, they correspond to words? - Hegemon --unsigned comment from Hegemon 05:43, 17 March 2007

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With the new clues, the track number theory would bump year zero into having 19 tracks. I think this completely disproves that the numbers are referring to track numbers now. We need to look elsewhere than the year zero track listing and the Bible, as neither have been fruitful. --Velvolver 11:13, 1 March 2007 (PST)

I'm removing it. As there are far less than 20 tracks on Halo 24 I think we can rule it out. Sorry for anyone who got their hopes up BurnHavoc 02:21, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

No offense, but I don't think you should remove it AT ALL - especially because it is just that - a theory... Also, who's to say that Trent won't have the next album's tracks correspond with the letters? Or if the next album's tracks will begin at the number 17? I myself don't believe this theory, but it does not mean that it shouldn't be left up for interpretation...) Jgrizzy89 17:45, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

A pretty sh**ty theory, no offense. It started out plausable, but now it's outdated and more holes in it are showing every day. Just like the Bible Verse theory, started out fine, but eventually it proved fruitless. Plus it's not going to be something OBVIOUS or even something we have already such as the Bible or the halos. We'll get what the numbers reference eventually...

...or perhaps they're just there for organization and don't mean anything other than that.-Velvolver 07:14, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

That's an interesting idea about starting at 17, perhaps the theory belongs on the "weak leads" page now. I don't like that it has been completely removed, there was already a note that the theory was unlikely due to the numbers greater than 24.16 Nympholept 18:26, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

Something I noticed...

Unsure if this is the place to mention it, but as it has to do with numbers in general, and it's the only spot i've noticed to do with the numbers, i'm going to give it a shot.

Has anyone noticed the numbers hidden throughout the Year Zero booklet? Perhaps there is some correlation... And here they are, if they haven't been noticed, and the song/page upon which they were found.

Survivalism: 17593, 314547 The Good Soldier: 179 Vessel: 13971 The Warning: 13971, 126871, 314687 God Given: 179, 174639 Meet Your Master: 139 The Great Destroyer: 1365697 (?)

Any thoughts? Conclusions?

http://www.ninwiki.com/Year_Zero#The_Booklet PLEASE look before posting! These numbers have been posted over a DOZEN times in different talk pages. It's getting out of hand. --BurnHavoc 20:35, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

During the OSR video, Neil keeps mentioning 241, then 11. 24.1.11?

The OSR meeting has been confirmed as 24.11.2 (see Year_Zero_Numbers#24.11.2) --BurnHavoc 21:20, 20 April 2007 (PDT)

"No rest for the wicked!"

Okay, I know that the Year Zero quest is over, but I just remembered a mysterious message Trent posted on nin.com/tr: "No rest for the wicked!". "No" has two letters and "rest" has four. Is this phrase the key to another Year Zero number? --Wizfan 07:51, 24 July 2007 (PDT)