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Whilst the credits are to NIIN, I would assume a typo and on here we should put in the correct spelling. [[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 07:28, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
:This is what I thought too, the audio files' comment tags read "(c) 2008 nin". [[User:Mobytoss|Mobytoss]] 09:53, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
::okay; i changed it back [[User:Tocz|Tocz]] 10:47, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
:::I felt this was still noteworthy, so I've added it to the miscellanea section. [[User:M0de l3d|M0de l3d]] 22:34, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
Hey, this album's message seems to convey a possible breakup in nine inch nails. I mean, look at both the page for "the four of us are dying". Also, the album is called "The Slip".
I dunno, feel free to expand.
If NIN broke up, I'd be very worried, as there's only one member.[[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 17:19, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
But four members worked on this album.
Doubt it has anything to do with the "band" breaking up. It's most likely about Year Zero and personal reflection. [[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 20:55, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
=Alien Abduction=
This whole albums about the year zero story, and then eventually talks about alien abduction. Seriously, I'll explain more later [[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 21:13, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
The hand on the cover art is probably The Presence. Also, the album itself seems to be a sort of interlude between Year Zero and what's coming after,
like a calm before the storm. The "Lights in the Sky" lyrics remind me of the christian idea of the rapture, and the album itself up to that track could be viewed as characters
portrayed in the Year Zero story line who are left behind by The Presence (or what the presence signified) to a world void of meaning. The big event happened, and these people
were not part of it. Their struggle to come to terms with this situation in expressed in a variety of painful perspectives that all seem to meld into one resolved perspective
at the end of the album. The song "The Great Destroyer" from Year Zero foreshadows this character portrayed in "Demon Seed", a person with "the infinite potential... to murder everything".
So, if the Presence = the Rapture, then I'm assuming The Great Destroyer/Demon Seed = the Antichrist. Like Trent Reznor's version of the apocalypse.
The Presence symbol (signifying the hand of God/Fate, or whatever) on the cover of The Slip would be that hand pulling the author behind the various characters on Year Zero
and The Slip (literally, Trent Reznor, but in the same way that the hand represents "the Presence"{God, Fate, or whaterver} the author would represent the self{or soul, ego, identity, etc.})
back into one underlaying identity, Resolved to destroy what's left of the world.
That's my guess, anyway.
Also, the art for "The Four Of Us Are Dying" looks like 4 isometric zeros, like the numeric representation of the year zero.
=Image files=
What's with the extra bar at the bottom of all the artwork files for ''[[The Slip]]''? The only place they seem to appear is on the wiki (ie. they're not in the PDF of the embedded images in the MP3s)? It's most notable on [[Lights In The Sky]] and [[The Four Of Us Are Dying]].
This is most likely a glitch produced when they were posted, but I also noticed it. It almost looks like the top of the image repeated at the bottom. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 03:25, 15 May 2008 (PDT)
== A Theory ==
This was posted in the main article and I thought it would be better on this Discussion page.--[[User:Leo3375|leo3375]] 11:45, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
===Potential Year Zero Concept===
Although not officially stated, the concept seems to show certain events which happen to the main characters in the year zero universe. Below are some potential meanings to certain songs:
====1,000,000====
This song could be about a person who has been lead to believe something and realised it was all just a lie, so he has become over eccentric with the idea and decided he no longer wants to believe anything, he feels more alive now he is no longer restrained, at the same time he feels like he has to destroy himself because he has no meaning.
====Letting You====
How the fictional government are controlling its people but the people are to afraid to do anything about it. Another part of the song shows how the soldiers they are training believe they are fighting for liberty but they only seem to be fighting for the same lost cause as their leaders.
====Discipline====
This song resembles one specific person who seems to believe he is doing something wrong, or is being told he is doing wrong, so he should be disciplined. This could also resemble certain torture techniques the government use on prisoners (much like in the movies), which in turn, forces them to think they are doing something wrong when in fact they aren't.
====Echoplex====
This song is from the eyes of someone who is being held captive, how he is going crazy and is starting to believe he can see everything, most likely because of a lack of the fictional parepin which helps repress feelings of control. It also seems like he is slowly being forgotten about and nobody is going to rescue him from his cage.
====Head Down====
This song resembles somebody talking to themselves, trying not to get caught for something they have done wrong, with feelings of people watching him at all times, waiting for him to slip up.
====Lights In The Sky====
This seems to show a couple, which are more than likely a part of the resistance. One of them (Most Likely The Male) may have had a chance to escape the carnage the government is creating, but wont leave the other due to feelings for eachother.
====Corona Radiata====
This song is a little bit more curious, as the corona radiata are several protective layers surrounding ova or unfertilized egg cells, responsible with supplying the ova or egg cell with protein. This could mean the couple from lights in the sky are expecting or dont know the female is pregnant, possibly with the demon seed, as the red line in the image is connected to the artwork for demon seed. the song also begins with a more muffled sound much like you are listening from the inside of the womb, and gradually gets clearer and clearer.
====The Four Of Us Are Dying====
This songs artwork is not directly linked to the demon seed, much like lights in the sky, this means they are not being affected by the seed for the reason shown below. It could also show the main characters of the plotline dying out, ushering in the new era and the demon seed.
====Demon Seed====
This could be from the point of view of the child the girl is bearing only older, perhaps an orphan wants to find out more about their parents, only to find they were killed as part of a government resistance, this child would then decide to carry on what there parents started and take down the government, creating a new resistance. This is the theory on how the artwork for demon seed is connected to everything on the album apart from the potential resistance members, it never knew its family, yet it is able to change the course of everything else which is happening in the universe around it. (Also, the artwork for Demon Seed, when rotated counterclockwise, looks like 0001, the year after year zero. bethehammer)
These are only speculative theories and have not been officially stated.
== Artwork ==
Does the red line tie in to the vocals at all? Because the songs with vocals have red lines, but I think (I haven't checked) the instrumentals don't have red line artwork.
Probably not, as corona radiata has a red line and it's an instrumental, and lights in the sky does not have a red line, and it's a vocal track (bethehammer)
Moved the two above posts down to this section. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]]
I'm curious to see if the artwork holds any hidden meaning. I was thinking about seeing if the images could be aligned a certain way so that the red lines connect (though I haven't found the time to do this myself). I also found it curious that some of the images have a darker background than the others.
Though i am unsure, i do think in conections with Year Zero, that the hand holding the man in the album art work could be considered The Presence.
:... why? The Presence is a giant digital ghosthand that comes down from the sky. that doesn't make any sense whatsoever! - [[User:Seasonsinthesky|seasonsinthesky]] 19:35, 5 September 2010 (PDT)
== ''Year Zero'' Tie-In? ==
I've started putting songs from ''The Slip'' in between songs from ''Year Zero'' and so far have found that some of the songs fit very well together.
For example: 'The Good Soldier' fades really well into 'Echoplex' and 'Vessel' fits into the theme that follows in 'Head Down' and then 'Me, I'm Not'. I've also noticed that the background ambiance in 'Another Version Of The Truth' is very Similar to 'Corona Radiata'.
I'm still moving songs around to find a good mix...and I may throw in songs from ''Ghosts I-IV'' to see if there is another connection. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 5/18/08
== Third Disc? ==
I emailed Amazon.com in regards to the listing of 3 discs.
Comments:The product info lists this product as having 3 discs. The artist's website http://feeds.nin.com/ninNews describes the product as the follwing "The Slip will be available in an individually numbered 2 disc, 6 panel digipak..." I just wanted to get some clarification on this so I know what I'll be getting. Thank you for your time.
Amazon.com: I understand that it is listed as 2 disc, 6 panel digipak in other website and it is listed as 3 discs on our website. The only information we can give you about a particular CD is what is displayed on the detail page for that particular music title.
On many detail pages, in addition to the artist and recording label, you'll also find links to track listings, reviews, customer comments, a biography of the artist, a list of musical influences, and other CDs by that artist. All of these links appear in the left-hand margin.
We understand that, unless you already know something about the CD, you may occasionally need more information than we have available to make a purchasing decision.
Our editorial staff is constantly increasing the amount of information we provide about each item in our music store. We invite you to add to this information by submitting customer reviews for your favorite (or not-so-favorite) CDs.
Further, if the CD is not you intended to buy, you can always return to us within 30 days for the full refund.
If you have any further questions please visit our help pages for more information.
[[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 07:57, 3 July 2008 (PDT)
== The Slip only 2 disk! ==
Amazon.com has changed the number of disks to 2. I sthis the correct number or is this a diversion tactic with the release so close?
:Not from what I see:
Product Details
* Audio CD (July 22, 2008)
* Original Release Date: July 22, 2008
* Number of Discs: <b>3</b>
* Format: Limited Edition
* Label: The Null Corporation
* ASIN: B001B71NOI
* In-Print Editions: Music Download
* Amazon.com Sales Rank: #23 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music)
It still says 3 on .com [[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 05:55, 16 July 2008 (PDT)
Just checked, Look:
Product details
Audio CD (28 Jul 2008)
Number of Discs: 2
Label: The Null Corporation
ASIN: B001B71NOI
Average Customer Review:
7 Reviews
5 star: (4)
4 star: (3)
3 star: (0)
2 star: (0)
1 star: (0)
See all 7 customer reviews...
(7 customer reviews)
Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 52 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music)
Popular in these categories:
::Seems that different Amazon sites have different information. Either they're correcting each page seperatly or smoething's afoot. [[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 05:55, 16 July 2008 (PDT)
:::I'm sure that when people start getting their physical copies the information here will be clarified.--[[User:Leo3375|leo3375]] 08:33, 16 July 2008 (PDT)
::::I just noticed that amazon.com was updated to show 2 discs now, but I did notice an 11th track entitled "Slip". We should probably wait to update the main page until this 11th track can be confirmed. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 14:40, 18 July 2008 (PDT)
== Physical Product Confusion ==
I'd like to suggest that we condense the confusion over the 3rd disc and 11th track into one section. Since the release info was made offical on http://theslip.nin.com/physical/ there should be no reason to keep all of the rumor stuff, possibly simplify it down to include just minor details over the confusion. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 14:34, 22 July 2008 (PDT)
== Ths Stickers ==
I finally got my physical copy (#7,154!), and I noticed that the artwork on the stickers differs slightly from the artwork in the book. Notably, it's missing all of the red. The three stickers I got were for [[999,999]], [[Letting You]] and [[The Four Of Us Are Dying]]. The first two's artwork in the book has red lines. These are missing from the stickers. Did others get different stickers? And are others' stickers also missing the red? --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 07:33, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
:Alot of people have said this, can you upload your stickers for comparison on the website?[[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 08:08, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
:I got #46,063 and stickers for 999,999, Letting You, and The Four of Us Are Dying as well. My stickers also do not have the red lines. I also noticed that in the booklet,the artwork for 1,000,000 has 2 red lines as opposed to none in the digital artwork. All the other artwork appears the same. The line on the Discipline artwork continues over to the lyrics crossing over the phrase "I cannot help myself" [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 13:20, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
== The Slip as ordinary CD ==
Is it strictly limited to 250,000 pieces? I mean, I live in a godforsaken hole, so I cannot get an original album that easy, but really need it... :( My question is, after that limited edition, would "ordinary" album without stickers and DVD be on sale?
P.S. I'm really sorry if I did something wrong with writing this comment, I need time to fit in...
:No, sadly - if you live in Amazon delivery range (that is, pretty much anywhere), then just try to get it online, if not, try asking someone on [http://www.echoingthesound.org ETS] to buy it for you then send to you, they tend to be a nice lot. [[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 15:50, 7 August 2008 (PDT)
:This is what I thought too, the audio files' comment tags read "(c) 2008 nin". [[User:Mobytoss|Mobytoss]] 09:53, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
::okay; i changed it back [[User:Tocz|Tocz]] 10:47, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
:::I felt this was still noteworthy, so I've added it to the miscellanea section. [[User:M0de l3d|M0de l3d]] 22:34, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
Hey, this album's message seems to convey a possible breakup in nine inch nails. I mean, look at both the page for "the four of us are dying". Also, the album is called "The Slip".
I dunno, feel free to expand.
If NIN broke up, I'd be very worried, as there's only one member.[[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 17:19, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
But four members worked on this album.
Doubt it has anything to do with the "band" breaking up. It's most likely about Year Zero and personal reflection. [[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 20:55, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
=Alien Abduction=
This whole albums about the year zero story, and then eventually talks about alien abduction. Seriously, I'll explain more later [[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 21:13, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
The hand on the cover art is probably The Presence. Also, the album itself seems to be a sort of interlude between Year Zero and what's coming after,
like a calm before the storm. The "Lights in the Sky" lyrics remind me of the christian idea of the rapture, and the album itself up to that track could be viewed as characters
portrayed in the Year Zero story line who are left behind by The Presence (or what the presence signified) to a world void of meaning. The big event happened, and these people
were not part of it. Their struggle to come to terms with this situation in expressed in a variety of painful perspectives that all seem to meld into one resolved perspective
at the end of the album. The song "The Great Destroyer" from Year Zero foreshadows this character portrayed in "Demon Seed", a person with "the infinite potential... to murder everything".
So, if the Presence = the Rapture, then I'm assuming The Great Destroyer/Demon Seed = the Antichrist. Like Trent Reznor's version of the apocalypse.
The Presence symbol (signifying the hand of God/Fate, or whatever) on the cover of The Slip would be that hand pulling the author behind the various characters on Year Zero
and The Slip (literally, Trent Reznor, but in the same way that the hand represents "the Presence"{God, Fate, or whaterver} the author would represent the self{or soul, ego, identity, etc.})
back into one underlaying identity, Resolved to destroy what's left of the world.
That's my guess, anyway.
Also, the art for "The Four Of Us Are Dying" looks like 4 isometric zeros, like the numeric representation of the year zero.
=Image files=
What's with the extra bar at the bottom of all the artwork files for ''[[The Slip]]''? The only place they seem to appear is on the wiki (ie. they're not in the PDF of the embedded images in the MP3s)? It's most notable on [[Lights In The Sky]] and [[The Four Of Us Are Dying]].
This is most likely a glitch produced when they were posted, but I also noticed it. It almost looks like the top of the image repeated at the bottom. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 03:25, 15 May 2008 (PDT)
== A Theory ==
This was posted in the main article and I thought it would be better on this Discussion page.--[[User:Leo3375|leo3375]] 11:45, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
===Potential Year Zero Concept===
Although not officially stated, the concept seems to show certain events which happen to the main characters in the year zero universe. Below are some potential meanings to certain songs:
====1,000,000====
This song could be about a person who has been lead to believe something and realised it was all just a lie, so he has become over eccentric with the idea and decided he no longer wants to believe anything, he feels more alive now he is no longer restrained, at the same time he feels like he has to destroy himself because he has no meaning.
====Letting You====
How the fictional government are controlling its people but the people are to afraid to do anything about it. Another part of the song shows how the soldiers they are training believe they are fighting for liberty but they only seem to be fighting for the same lost cause as their leaders.
====Discipline====
This song resembles one specific person who seems to believe he is doing something wrong, or is being told he is doing wrong, so he should be disciplined. This could also resemble certain torture techniques the government use on prisoners (much like in the movies), which in turn, forces them to think they are doing something wrong when in fact they aren't.
====Echoplex====
This song is from the eyes of someone who is being held captive, how he is going crazy and is starting to believe he can see everything, most likely because of a lack of the fictional parepin which helps repress feelings of control. It also seems like he is slowly being forgotten about and nobody is going to rescue him from his cage.
====Head Down====
This song resembles somebody talking to themselves, trying not to get caught for something they have done wrong, with feelings of people watching him at all times, waiting for him to slip up.
====Lights In The Sky====
This seems to show a couple, which are more than likely a part of the resistance. One of them (Most Likely The Male) may have had a chance to escape the carnage the government is creating, but wont leave the other due to feelings for eachother.
====Corona Radiata====
This song is a little bit more curious, as the corona radiata are several protective layers surrounding ova or unfertilized egg cells, responsible with supplying the ova or egg cell with protein. This could mean the couple from lights in the sky are expecting or dont know the female is pregnant, possibly with the demon seed, as the red line in the image is connected to the artwork for demon seed. the song also begins with a more muffled sound much like you are listening from the inside of the womb, and gradually gets clearer and clearer.
====The Four Of Us Are Dying====
This songs artwork is not directly linked to the demon seed, much like lights in the sky, this means they are not being affected by the seed for the reason shown below. It could also show the main characters of the plotline dying out, ushering in the new era and the demon seed.
====Demon Seed====
This could be from the point of view of the child the girl is bearing only older, perhaps an orphan wants to find out more about their parents, only to find they were killed as part of a government resistance, this child would then decide to carry on what there parents started and take down the government, creating a new resistance. This is the theory on how the artwork for demon seed is connected to everything on the album apart from the potential resistance members, it never knew its family, yet it is able to change the course of everything else which is happening in the universe around it. (Also, the artwork for Demon Seed, when rotated counterclockwise, looks like 0001, the year after year zero. bethehammer)
These are only speculative theories and have not been officially stated.
== Artwork ==
Does the red line tie in to the vocals at all? Because the songs with vocals have red lines, but I think (I haven't checked) the instrumentals don't have red line artwork.
Probably not, as corona radiata has a red line and it's an instrumental, and lights in the sky does not have a red line, and it's a vocal track (bethehammer)
Moved the two above posts down to this section. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]]
I'm curious to see if the artwork holds any hidden meaning. I was thinking about seeing if the images could be aligned a certain way so that the red lines connect (though I haven't found the time to do this myself). I also found it curious that some of the images have a darker background than the others.
Though i am unsure, i do think in conections with Year Zero, that the hand holding the man in the album art work could be considered The Presence.
:... why? The Presence is a giant digital ghosthand that comes down from the sky. that doesn't make any sense whatsoever! - [[User:Seasonsinthesky|seasonsinthesky]] 19:35, 5 September 2010 (PDT)
== ''Year Zero'' Tie-In? ==
I've started putting songs from ''The Slip'' in between songs from ''Year Zero'' and so far have found that some of the songs fit very well together.
For example: 'The Good Soldier' fades really well into 'Echoplex' and 'Vessel' fits into the theme that follows in 'Head Down' and then 'Me, I'm Not'. I've also noticed that the background ambiance in 'Another Version Of The Truth' is very Similar to 'Corona Radiata'.
I'm still moving songs around to find a good mix...and I may throw in songs from ''Ghosts I-IV'' to see if there is another connection. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 5/18/08
== Third Disc? ==
I emailed Amazon.com in regards to the listing of 3 discs.
Comments:The product info lists this product as having 3 discs. The artist's website http://feeds.nin.com/ninNews describes the product as the follwing "The Slip will be available in an individually numbered 2 disc, 6 panel digipak..." I just wanted to get some clarification on this so I know what I'll be getting. Thank you for your time.
Amazon.com: I understand that it is listed as 2 disc, 6 panel digipak in other website and it is listed as 3 discs on our website. The only information we can give you about a particular CD is what is displayed on the detail page for that particular music title.
On many detail pages, in addition to the artist and recording label, you'll also find links to track listings, reviews, customer comments, a biography of the artist, a list of musical influences, and other CDs by that artist. All of these links appear in the left-hand margin.
We understand that, unless you already know something about the CD, you may occasionally need more information than we have available to make a purchasing decision.
Our editorial staff is constantly increasing the amount of information we provide about each item in our music store. We invite you to add to this information by submitting customer reviews for your favorite (or not-so-favorite) CDs.
Further, if the CD is not you intended to buy, you can always return to us within 30 days for the full refund.
If you have any further questions please visit our help pages for more information.
[[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 07:57, 3 July 2008 (PDT)
== The Slip only 2 disk! ==
Amazon.com has changed the number of disks to 2. I sthis the correct number or is this a diversion tactic with the release so close?
:Not from what I see:
Product Details
* Audio CD (July 22, 2008)
* Original Release Date: July 22, 2008
* Number of Discs: <b>3</b>
* Format: Limited Edition
* Label: The Null Corporation
* ASIN: B001B71NOI
* In-Print Editions: Music Download
* Amazon.com Sales Rank: #23 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music)
It still says 3 on .com [[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 05:55, 16 July 2008 (PDT)
Just checked, Look:
Product details
Audio CD (28 Jul 2008)
Number of Discs: 2
Label: The Null Corporation
ASIN: B001B71NOI
Average Customer Review:
7 Reviews
5 star: (4)
4 star: (3)
3 star: (0)
2 star: (0)
1 star: (0)
See all 7 customer reviews...
(7 customer reviews)
Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 52 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music)
Popular in these categories:
::Seems that different Amazon sites have different information. Either they're correcting each page seperatly or smoething's afoot. [[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 05:55, 16 July 2008 (PDT)
:::I'm sure that when people start getting their physical copies the information here will be clarified.--[[User:Leo3375|leo3375]] 08:33, 16 July 2008 (PDT)
::::I just noticed that amazon.com was updated to show 2 discs now, but I did notice an 11th track entitled "Slip". We should probably wait to update the main page until this 11th track can be confirmed. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 14:40, 18 July 2008 (PDT)
== Physical Product Confusion ==
I'd like to suggest that we condense the confusion over the 3rd disc and 11th track into one section. Since the release info was made offical on http://theslip.nin.com/physical/ there should be no reason to keep all of the rumor stuff, possibly simplify it down to include just minor details over the confusion. [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 14:34, 22 July 2008 (PDT)
== Ths Stickers ==
I finally got my physical copy (#7,154!), and I noticed that the artwork on the stickers differs slightly from the artwork in the book. Notably, it's missing all of the red. The three stickers I got were for [[999,999]], [[Letting You]] and [[The Four Of Us Are Dying]]. The first two's artwork in the book has red lines. These are missing from the stickers. Did others get different stickers? And are others' stickers also missing the red? --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 07:33, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
:Alot of people have said this, can you upload your stickers for comparison on the website?[[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 08:08, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
:I got #46,063 and stickers for 999,999, Letting You, and The Four of Us Are Dying as well. My stickers also do not have the red lines. I also noticed that in the booklet,the artwork for 1,000,000 has 2 red lines as opposed to none in the digital artwork. All the other artwork appears the same. The line on the Discipline artwork continues over to the lyrics crossing over the phrase "I cannot help myself" [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 13:20, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
== The Slip as ordinary CD ==
Is it strictly limited to 250,000 pieces? I mean, I live in a godforsaken hole, so I cannot get an original album that easy, but really need it... :( My question is, after that limited edition, would "ordinary" album without stickers and DVD be on sale?
P.S. I'm really sorry if I did something wrong with writing this comment, I need time to fit in...
:No, sadly - if you live in Amazon delivery range (that is, pretty much anywhere), then just try to get it online, if not, try asking someone on [http://www.echoingthesound.org ETS] to buy it for you then send to you, they tend to be a nice lot. [[User:Sheepdean|Sheepdean]] 15:50, 7 August 2008 (PDT)