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The number of fingers on the hand in the vision is unclear; photographs of the phenomenon suggest that it has four, but other media, such as the drawing in [[nooneimportant]]'s mailbox or the [[:Image:MVH_lin.gif|spectrographic image]] contained in [[My Violent Heart]], clearly show five.
The Presence concepts comed concept seems to come from some part one stanza of lyrics in a song The Wretched in album "from ''[[The Fragile (halo)|The Fragile".]]'':
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