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Tour date corrections

Dates currently under investigation:

1988 Huntington - Someone on setlist.fm says this was cancelled. The Parthenon for that day advertised a generic dance night, not the concert.

1988 Richmond - need a venue for this

1989 Metropolis - Just need more details on this, date and venue confirmation

✔️1989/12/29 Cleveland, OH Phantasy Theatre - Not sure if they played 2 dates here. Dec. 28 is definitely confirmed though, by the NIN tour manager, Mark O'Shea. https://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/getting-physical/Content?oid=1492360
Mark O'Shea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markloshea https://www.goodyeartheater.com
Newspaper clipping confirming Dec. 29 date: https://twitter.com/ninlive/status/1153807351071162370
Probably only one date: https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-inch-nails-concert/cleveland-december-29-1989/

✔️1990/01/28 Portland, OR Pine Street Theatre - While JAMC played this date, NIN probably didn't support, because of travel time involved. The first support date was probably Warfield in SFO. Confirmed no NIN: https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-inch-nails-concert/portland-january-28-1990/

✔️1990/03/27 Atlanta, GA - Were there 2 dates for The Roxy? - yes, newspaper article confirms it [1]

✔️1990/04/03 Phantasy - Were there 2 dates for Cleveland? (probably not the 4th) - Spurious 2nd date [2]

✔️1990/04/14 Washington, DC Lisner Auditorium - Did this one happen? The 9:30 Club headliner show the next night definitely did. - Manifesto was opener. NIN did not open. [3]

✔️1990/04/17 Toronto - Concert Hall or RPM Club? Setlist.fm user says it was RPM club. alt.music.nin poster says first NIN gig in Toronto was RPM Club. UPDATE: Solicitations were for RPM: https://happinessinheresy.com/nine-inch-nails-concert/toronto-april-17-1990/

✔️1990/04/19-21 - Need confirmation of these last 3 Peter Murphy dates UPDATE: Confirmed NIN left the tour early. [4]

1990/06/29 Unknown Venue (New Orleans) [5]

✔️1990/07/02 Unknown Venue (Jacksonville) - [6] Update: Identified!

1990/07/19 The Living Room, Providence, RI - [7] Need more corroboration of this date. Only one advert in the Boston Phoenix, when the Billboard ad from the same time didn't list RI at all.

✔️1990/07/12 Neptune, NJ, Green Parrot - This date originally solicited 1.5 months before as Chestnut Cabaret. Likely replaced by Drexel Univ. concert. Drexel and Chestnut Cabaret are located within 4 blocks of each other, so it's unlikely both happened. This guy's concert list shows that he went to many early NIN shows around Philly and to many shows at the Chestnut Cabaret. If NIN had played Chestnut, he would have been there. Instead, he only went to Drexel. So I think that confirms that Chestnut was probably cancelled, maybe replaced by Drexel, and Green Parrot slotted into the original Chestnut date. UPDATE: Green Parrot was a MBM headlining date: https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/5398-Happiness-in-Heresy?p=492002#post492002

✔️1990/07/25 St. Louis, MO 1227 - unlikely they played the same venue within a month of each other. The 6/21 date is confirmed with newspaper solicits, and this one has none. Only possibility is if the 6/21 date got postponed for some reason (first night of the tour) and made up on 7/25? NIN Historian listed 7/25 without any corroboration, so maybe he knew the concert took place, but not the date, and slotted it in somewhere it might fit, but he didn't know it was at the beginning of the tour? UPDATE: There is zero for "1227 nine inch nails" on newspapers.com in July 1990, and tons in June 1990, so I think this date is just flat out wrong. UPDATE 2: This was a MBM headling date: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/49206028/st-louis-post-dispatch/

✔️1991/01/22 Washington, DC 9:30 Club (1 AM show) - What was the proof for 2 shows on the same night? I forget. 9 PM and 11 PM shows: https://happinessinheresy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/026-AUE-1991-01-28-001-SINGLE-1.jpg

✔️1991/02/06 Hollywood, CA Stardust Ballroom (Helter Skelter) - This seems to be a spurious 2nd date, maybe due to the VHS circulating? Ask Richard Alan White about what the date on his filming was, and if there were 2 shows. Poster confirms 2nd date added.

1991/02/21 Marquee, London - Besides the NME solicitation, it was advertised in promo sheets too. So maybe this really happened. Need to check it out.

✔️1991/08/29 Koln, Germany Luxor - Show was solicited, but apparently may have been cancelled. The show has been removed from setlist.fm already. Why? NIN Live received information directly from the promoter that it was Cancelled due to Trent's Voice.

✔️1994/03/18 Phoenix, AZ The Roxy - Did the second show happen at The Roxy? NIN Historian originally had The Grind. Some guy on setlist.fm also claims it was The Grind, though his anecdote does not actually provide any evidence to back that up. happinessinheresy's newspaper clipping shows both shows were sold for The Roxy, so if it changed, it was a last-minute venue change. Ticket stub confirms 2nd show was at the Roxy.

1994/03/27 Honolulu, HI After Dark - This was solicited in the newspaper, up to the day before the show, as a single date, Mar. 26, at After Dark. There is a ticket stub and posters for the 26th on nintourhistory/HIH, but nothing for the 27th. Need to talk to Bill Rose, who did security there, about the show(s).

1995/11/11 St. Petersburg, FL Jannus Landing (show went on as planned?) - This is the only date we're not absolutely sure went on as planned.

1995/11/27 Corpus Christi, TX Cantina Santa Fe - This date probably is fake. Contacted JJ Nelson to try to find out.

Pigface

This article claims that Trent only played New York and Philly with Pigface. We know this is not completely true, because there is the recording of Pittsburgh, which falls between those two dates. There are also many other inaccuracies in that article, like claiming that Trent left the RevCo tour after Florida (we know he was on the whole tour because of the tour journal).

This article also says that Trent only did a couple Pigface dates, and club owners later asked him if he was feeling better, because the whole Pigface tour had been solicited with Trent being the lead singer (because NIN was hot), and then they had to say he was sick because he only did a couple dates on the tour.

Sale prices of rare material

• Martin Atkins PHM Demo cassette (5 tracks) [8] - $1,025.00 [9]
• Uncoiled - $884.00 [10]
• With Teeth Selections (5 tracks) - $1,201.66 [11]
• Year Zero demos + instrumentals - $900.00
• How to Destroy Angels instrumentals - $350.00
• Add Violence instrumentals - $650.00
• Add Violence individual discs - $500.00 (probably overpaid)
• PHM demos UK cassette (3 tracks) - $640.00 [12]

To do list

Trent as roadie, what year? I think it must be RevCo 1988 tour: [13]

[14]

When the RevCo tour got to Cleveland, Ohio, everything and everyone was wrecked. We were in Cincinnati the night before, and I spilled a beer into the four-track recorder we used for the backing track when we were onstage; I wrecked the thing, It was toast, and that was a big problem because pretty much the whole show was on the tapes that we played over the PA. At the time we basically lip synched the whole show like Milli Vanilli. I said to the promoter of the venue: “I don’t think we can do the show because our four-track is gone.”

Someone said, “I know someone with a four-track, and he’s a big Ministry fan. Just get him into the show, and he'll let you use his machine.” So this kid named Trent came in with his four-track, and he looked kind of skeptical. [t was exactly the same four-track we were using, so it was perfect, but he said, “You're not taking my four-track. You already wrecked yours, and I need mine for my music.” So | said, “Okay, I'll pay you for it. How much do you want?” But he refused because it had some sentimental value for him. So | said, “Okay, look, you like the band. We need the four-track. Why don’t you come on the road with us and travel in our bus in exchange?” So he agreed. And that’s how Trent Reznor became a Revolting Cocks roadie before he started Nine Inch Nails.

He probably regretted it because we tortured that poor kid. Maybe it hard- ened him to the road. I don’t know. But it was his first time on tour, and we called him “Mama’s Boy” and whipped Black Cat firecrackers at him all the time. We used to throw these things in his bunk to wake him up, and he'd jump around like there were poisonous snakes in his bed. He'd try to keep up with our drinking. We wouldn't let him stop, so he'd puke and pass out, and then we'd draw dicks and pussies and the word “fag” on him in permanent Sharpie marker. Eventually he got sick of the abuse and said, “Oh, my grand- mother is sick. I have to go,” and he left the tour. But we kept the four-track. Looking back I really think going out with RevCo was good for Trent. It was a trial by fire—no frying pan, directly into the fire. He earned his stripes. If you can survive a Revolting Cocks tour, you can survive the music business.

I didn’t see him again for a number of years, then out of the blue he called me up and asked me to produce a cover of Queen’s “Get Down Make Love” for a Pretty Hate Machine B-side. | don’t know why he came back to me after we put him through so much crap, but | was happy to hear from him again, so I invited him to Chicago Trax, where we put him through another few days of hell—and I really like the guy. We were just fucking with him, which is what we did back then with people we liked. We had a pact during the session that we would work all hours of the night and that no one could fall asleep. Any- one who fell asleep would get their head shaved. And then, of course, I put Rohypnols in Trent’s and drummer Chris Vrenna’s drinks so they passed out. It was kind of like a Vegas game there, man. I was tilling the odds—doing lots of coke to stay awake and giving them drugs to make sure they passed out.

As soon as they fell asleep I broke out the clippers. I shaved their heads and their eyebrows. I got through Vrenna really fast. And then I stared on Trent. Shaving his head was no problem. And I did one of his eyebrows completely but only got halfway through the other before he woke up. He asked, “What the fuck are you doing?!” And I said, “I told you, man. No one's allowed to pass out.” He didn’t know what I did exactly, so he ran to the mirror, saw what I did to him, and started screaming like an eight-year-old girl. The next month I saw a photo of him in some music magazine, and the caption read, “Trent sets a new style.” Ha! It neglected to mention the part about him passing out

from Rohypnol and me butchering his hair. That’s the new style! But seriously, I think Trent is really talented, and I have no problems with his success. I’m happy for the guy.

Disambiguation revamp

Title capitalization revamp - style guide, Wikipedia? https://capitalizemytitle.com/
American English, Oxford commas, date formats

Name revamp (John A Malm Jr)

Add a.m.nin and NINCon

Add #nin, #nin99

Add numberedfile.WAV to Hoaxes

Bird Box feelings (Revolver interview: [15])

Stunt Popes

Proposed, unused artwork: https://www.facebook.com/thedesignersrepublic/posts/10154678018942214

Reznor in Mario, for Use in Video Games article

Add NTAE puzzle [16]

Flesh out Discordance. Relate to previous fan outreach online services.

Old long-form interviews:

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdv77zjfYjY (UK, 1991-ish)
• https://soundcloud.com/user-952903001/interview-october-8-1992 Spoken (UK, 1992)
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvDgfMvJllg Disturbed (UK, May 1994)
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwIxiovt_I (1994)
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIYcI-V5dc (which country?, 1993-ish? (Broken is already out))
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnPrKnAc0U X-posed interview (seems to be a compilation of many disparate interviews)

It'd be nice to correlate all the Cloudcover publishing entries to actual songs or soundtracks, though it might not be entirely possible in all cases [17]

Beats Music

"Vice President of Media" is probably hallucinated information
clean-up ChatGPT's inaccuracies, add citations from Bing Chat, add section about Trent leaving Apple. Incorporate info from Defiant Ones ep 4.
https://pitchfork.com/news/60190-trent-reznor-talks-apple-music-what-his-involvement-is-what-sets-it-apart/
https://www.vulture.com/2017/07/trent-reznor-nine-inch-nails.html
https://www.stereogum.com/2019319/trent-reznor-interview-nine-inch-nails/interviews/
https://www.billboard.com/pro/apple-brain-trust-streaming-new-world-order-youtube-wwdc/
Maybe need to add a whole Apple Music article.
Add information about Apple Music-exclusive content that was posted to Connect(?)
Add informaiton about Beats Music-exclusive content (just Seed 7?)

Add info about Rob Sheridan's involvement at Beats. He did not follow to Apple, I believe. Surely, he's written about this somewhere. Add this info to both Rob and Trent's articles.

Link his work at Beats with his previous efforts and experiments at new music distribution with Ghosts, NiggyTardust, and The Slip.

Bing

Bing Chat's contributions and citations:

Beats Music was a music streaming service that was launched in January 2014. It was developed by Beats Electronics, which was founded by Dr. Dre and Jimmy Iovine. Trent Reznor was also involved in the development of the service as the Chief Creative Officer of Beats Music ³. 

Reznor's involvement with Beats Music began in 2012 when he was approached by Jimmy Iovine to help develop the service ¹. Reznor played a key role in the development of Beats Music, including its design and user interface ¹. 

Beats Music was acquired by Apple in May 2014 for $3 billion ⁴. Following the acquisition, Reznor continued to work with Beats as the Chief Creative Officer of Beats Music ⁵. 

Source: Conversation with Bing, 9/1/2023
(1) For Iovine and Reznor, Beats Music is 'personal' - USA TODAY. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2014/01/11/beats-music-interview-jimmy-iovine-trent-reznor/4401019/.
(2) Trent Reznor talks Beats Music and Apple's secret project. https://www.cnet.com/culture/trent-reznor-talks-beats-music-apples-secret-project/.
(3) Trent Reznor discusses his new role at Apple, the Beats ... - 9to5Mac. https://9to5mac.com/2014/10/31/trent-reznor-apple-beats-music/.
(4) Trent Reznor still working at Beats, though his role at Apple is .... https://www.theverge.com/2014/6/2/5772284/trent-reznor-still-working-at-beats-though-his-role-at-apple-is.
(5) Trent Reznor Collaborates With Beats by Dre – Rolling Stone. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/trent-reznor-teams-with-beats-by-dre-99434/.


Beats Music's developmental codename was "Daisy" ². Trent Reznor was involved in the development of Beats Music as the Chief Creative Officer of Beats Music ¹. Reznor played a key role in the development of Beats Music, including its design and user interface ¹. 

Reznor's involvement with Beats Music began in 2012 when he was approached by Jimmy Iovine to help develop the service ¹. Reznor sat down with Billboard magazine in 2014 and talked about his work with subscription streaming service Beats Music. He said that he was on the side of streaming music and that he thought the right streaming service could solve everybody's problems. He also shared his thoughts about the future of streaming music ¹.


Source: Conversation with Bing, 9/1/2023
(1) Trent Reznor Talks Apple Music: What His Involvement Is ... - Pitchfork. https://pitchfork.com/news/60190-trent-reznor-talks-apple-music-what-his-involvement-is-what-sets-it-apart/.
(2) Trent Reznor talks Beats Music and Apple's secret project. https://www.cnet.com/culture/trent-reznor-talks-beats-music-apples-secret-project/.
(3) Trent Reznor Reveals Details About Beats by Dre’s New ... - Billboard. https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/trent-reznor-reveals-details-about-beats-by-dres-new-streaming-service-1483992/.