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| − | As I wrote on the [ | + | As I wrote on the [[Talk:Baseball_in_February | Baseball in February talk page]], the date "Sunday, Feb 13" found on [http://churchofplano.com/default.htm Churchofplano], shows that Jan 1 0000 BA corresponds to our Jan 1 2022 CE.--[[User:Shadowplay|Shadowplay]] 19:15, 17 February 2007 (PST) |
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| + | I've been trying to figure out how the August date for the dirty bomb in LA was derived. There doesn't seem to be any sort of correlation at the link to the right of the entry. Anyone care to elaborate? --[[User:ItsJustDave|ItsJustDave]] 10:16, 26 February 2007 (PST) | ||
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| + | Hmm... I imagine it's absolutely no coincidence that Solutions Backwards Initiative did its broadcast on 2/10/0000 and that the timeline we've been able to scour together ends on that date. (The 2/13/0000 date was for a scheduled-in-the-future event that hadn't occurred yet as of 2/10/0000.) I wonder if SBI will be able to make another broadcast w/ it's non American-based members, or if this is all we'll get for now? Without another "broadcast," the most we can hope for is to backfill events prior to 2/10/0000 and flesh out the YZ universe as it exists up until that point. Given the sheer number of things that come to a head at or near 2/10/0000, it sounds like that was a very important day in YZ. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 11:47, 5 March 2007 (PST) | ||
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| + | == Military Commisions Act == | ||
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| + | It passed in October of 2006: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act | ||
| + | :I think that in the timeline it isn't implemented until October of this year. And technically it isn't even a law because Congress wasn't in session when it was signed, and Dubya waited way too long to sign it.--[[User:Leo3375|Leo3375]] 10:22, 11 April 2007 (PDT) | ||
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| + | ::Well good, because it's complete horse hockey. Nice to see a setup for a complete stripping of rights got delayed. -[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 10:55, 11 April 2007 (PDT) | ||
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| + | :::*The bill passed the Senate, 65-34, on September 28, 2006. | ||
| + | :::*The bill passed in the House, 250-170-12, on September 29, 2006. | ||
| + | :::*Bush signed the bill into law on October 17, 2006. | ||
| + | :::It's in play folks -- [[User:BurnHavoc|BurnHavoc]] 3:00, 11 April 2007 (EST) | ||
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| + | ::::Could this mean that YZ is 2021 and not 2022 like we've suspected all along?--[[User:Edani|Edani]] 12:17, 11 April 2007 (PDT) | ||
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| + | :Like I said, many lwas don't go into effect for a few months after they are signed into law. So chances are that the MCA doesn't officially take effect for another 6 months from now.--[[User:Leo3375|Leo3375]] 12:53, 11 April 2007 (PDT) | ||
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| + | :: Unfortunatly in this case it was streamlined. The act was almost immediately used to suspend several requests from detanees marked potential unlawful enemy combatants for habeas corpus from district courts. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act#Application here]. The actual use of the act can only suspend habeas corpus from people detained in active combat zones not identified as an enemy combatant but activly acting in conjunction with enemies, so under the definitions in the 3rd Geneva Convention (international law) it cannot be used on just anyone. The game may refer to additions to the Act at a later date or the use of the act that disregards international law. | ||
| + | :: The largest contention isn't actually with the Act, but with keeping prisoners inbetween statuses (ie not classified as either an unlawful or lawful enemy combatant, which is illegal under the 3rd and 4th Geneva Conventions). What the US Military has done is invoke certain clauses in the 4th Geneva Convention to hold the people there as Civilians but suspend most rights of the Geneva Conventions (besides the right to humane treatment, which can under no circumstances be suspended). TECHNICALLY this is illegal (claiming that have a certain status but applying the laws from another status without rightfully declaring the other status) but no international body has challenged the decisions as yet. --[[User:BurnHavoc|BurnHavoc]] 16:26, April 11 2007 (EST) | ||
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| + | == is Year Zero 2021 then? Or is there a typo on the page? == | ||
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| + | Or maybe January isn't the first month of Year Zero making -15 the correct equivalent of 2006? | ||
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| + | == YZ Calendar date formats == | ||
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| + | Pedantic point, but from a realistic (and practical) standpoint, it seems likely that the date format used in a newly implemented calendar would be year-month-day, although Americans would be likely to still habitually use month/day/year and British citizens day/month/year - which would explain the variety in dates shown. If anyone cares enough about it, I can provide some details on the probable commercial (as opposed to public) standards for all-numeric YZ calendar date display.-- | ||
| + | [[User:W4t3rc00l3rW4rr10r|W4t3rc00l3rW4rr10r]] | ||
Latest revision as of 16:26, 5 April 2008
As I wrote on the Baseball in February talk page, the date "Sunday, Feb 13" found on Churchofplano, shows that Jan 1 0000 BA corresponds to our Jan 1 2022 CE.--Shadowplay 19:15, 17 February 2007 (PST)
I've been trying to figure out how the August date for the dirty bomb in LA was derived. There doesn't seem to be any sort of correlation at the link to the right of the entry. Anyone care to elaborate? --ItsJustDave 10:16, 26 February 2007 (PST)
Hmm... I imagine it's absolutely no coincidence that Solutions Backwards Initiative did its broadcast on 2/10/0000 and that the timeline we've been able to scour together ends on that date. (The 2/13/0000 date was for a scheduled-in-the-future event that hadn't occurred yet as of 2/10/0000.) I wonder if SBI will be able to make another broadcast w/ it's non American-based members, or if this is all we'll get for now? Without another "broadcast," the most we can hope for is to backfill events prior to 2/10/0000 and flesh out the YZ universe as it exists up until that point. Given the sheer number of things that come to a head at or near 2/10/0000, it sounds like that was a very important day in YZ. --Mr z 11:47, 5 March 2007 (PST)
Military Commisions Act
It passed in October of 2006: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act
- I think that in the timeline it isn't implemented until October of this year. And technically it isn't even a law because Congress wasn't in session when it was signed, and Dubya waited way too long to sign it.--Leo3375 10:22, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
- Well good, because it's complete horse hockey. Nice to see a setup for a complete stripping of rights got delayed. -Velvolver 10:55, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
- The bill passed the Senate, 65-34, on September 28, 2006.
- The bill passed in the House, 250-170-12, on September 29, 2006.
- Bush signed the bill into law on October 17, 2006.
- It's in play folks -- BurnHavoc 3:00, 11 April 2007 (EST)
- Could this mean that YZ is 2021 and not 2022 like we've suspected all along?--Edani 12:17, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
- Like I said, many lwas don't go into effect for a few months after they are signed into law. So chances are that the MCA doesn't officially take effect for another 6 months from now.--Leo3375 12:53, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
- Unfortunatly in this case it was streamlined. The act was almost immediately used to suspend several requests from detanees marked potential unlawful enemy combatants for habeas corpus from district courts. See here. The actual use of the act can only suspend habeas corpus from people detained in active combat zones not identified as an enemy combatant but activly acting in conjunction with enemies, so under the definitions in the 3rd Geneva Convention (international law) it cannot be used on just anyone. The game may refer to additions to the Act at a later date or the use of the act that disregards international law.
- The largest contention isn't actually with the Act, but with keeping prisoners inbetween statuses (ie not classified as either an unlawful or lawful enemy combatant, which is illegal under the 3rd and 4th Geneva Conventions). What the US Military has done is invoke certain clauses in the 4th Geneva Convention to hold the people there as Civilians but suspend most rights of the Geneva Conventions (besides the right to humane treatment, which can under no circumstances be suspended). TECHNICALLY this is illegal (claiming that have a certain status but applying the laws from another status without rightfully declaring the other status) but no international body has challenged the decisions as yet. --BurnHavoc 16:26, April 11 2007 (EST)
is Year Zero 2021 then? Or is there a typo on the page?
Or maybe January isn't the first month of Year Zero making -15 the correct equivalent of 2006?
YZ Calendar date formats
Pedantic point, but from a realistic (and practical) standpoint, it seems likely that the date format used in a newly implemented calendar would be year-month-day, although Americans would be likely to still habitually use month/day/year and British citizens day/month/year - which would explain the variety in dates shown. If anyone cares enough about it, I can provide some details on the probable commercial (as opposed to public) standards for all-numeric YZ calendar date display.-- W4t3rc00l3rW4rr10r